Region Movement - 2 Companies Travelling to the Same Site

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Re: Region Movement - 2 Companies Travelling to the Same Site

Post by Bandobras Took » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:54 pm

Theo wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:23 am
Then I think an errata would need to be issued (although it would seem to me a deliberate disregard of an intent by the original designers). Underlines in the below quotes are mine.

From the NetRep rulings digest 35:
Clarification regarding the Middle-earth: The Balrog rules booklet:

The ME:BA rulesbook clearly defines what it considers new rules and what is considered a rules summary. Since this is delineated in the rulebook, the rules written in the Rules Summary section will not override those rules in the ME:LE rulebook when conflicts arise, though the ME:BA rulebook is a newer printing.
I've argued the same, too. Half the time the NetRep treats the Balrog Rules Summary as inaccurate suggestions and half the time as an official overturning of previous rules. :)

See also here.
Remember, NetRep rulings are official. This does not necessarily mean they are correct.

You probably aren't playing Fallen Wizards correctly. This prompted the backlash erratum that I will link to as soon as I notice it is officially posted. :)

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Re: Region Movement - 2 Companies Travelling to the Same Site

Post by the Jabberwock » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:42 am

Theo wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:23 am
Then I think an errata would need to be issued (although it would seem to me a deliberate disregard of an intent by the original designers). Underlines in the below quotes are mine.
Indeed, this will have to be investigated further in the future. Perhaps an erratum or clarification may be necessary. It's impossible to say for certain what the intent was of the designers at any particular point in time. You can also make the argument that ICE realized this movement restriction for Hero only companies was silly and thus eliminated it with the Balrog rules summary. Furthermore, regardless of what the original intent was by ICE, they are now long gone, and as a player's community still actively involved and supporting the game, it is up to us to decide what makes for the most enjoyment and fun while playing the game. Logically it makes no sense at all that two separate Hero companies could not both use Region movement to move to the same non-Haven site. Everyone I have encountered plays with this Region movement permission for Hero companies (be it correct or not).
Clarification regarding the Middle-earth: The Balrog rules booklet:

The ME:BA rulesbook clearly defines what it considers new rules and what is considered a rules summary. Since this is delineated in the rulebook, the rules written in the Rules Summary section will not override those rules in the ME:LE rulebook when conflicts arise, though the ME:BA rulebook is a newer printing.
Theo wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:23 am
This ruling (and that ME:LE indicates that its rules fall back to ME:TW) does not lead me to believe that it is "safe to say" that an absence of clarification from the Balrog turn summary implies that hero parties no longer have the restrictions as published in ME:TW (and explicitly NOT superceded by ME:LE, due to marginal bullets).
The NetRep then goes on to say.....
The main result of this is that followers of Wizards/Ringwraiths/Balrogs that aren't "Ringwraith Followers" by be influenced by an opponent,
contrary to the ME:BA rules booklet.
So the idea that the rule we are discussing is made null by this NetRep digest (addressing something fairly specific) I feel is incorrect. Furthermore, it was a single NetRep's opinion at the time, and this was never made into an official rule, so far as I'm aware. As Bandobras pointed out, there seems to be an ongoing argument about whether the Balrog Rules Summary overrides the MELE Rulebook or not.

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Re: Region Movement - 2 Companies Travelling to the Same Site

Post by Thorsten the Traveller » Mon May 14, 2018 10:24 am

As Bandobras pointed out, there seems to be an ongoing argument about whether the Balrog Rules Summary overrides the MELE Rulebook or not.
I would be in favour of listing the controversial issues that arrise from the summary (if any), and declare the summary as non-binding. Even if it turns out helpful to this specific case, the community can make up their mind, taking clues from the summary.
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