Cave-drake

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Kjeld
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Re: Cave-drake

Post by Kjeld » Mon May 28, 2018 4:46 am

What's really crazy is that the Spanish version literally translates to "Dragon of the Caves". So when I.C.E. (or the Spanish translator) changed the creature type to "Draque" for the MELE version, they made the Spanish card make less sense (and ironically made it equally as confusing as its English version)!

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Re: Cave-drake

Post by Mordakai » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:35 am

In fact, all Drakes from ME:TD are named "Dragon whatever" (Dragón de Fuego Verdadero, Dragón de Frío Alado...), so all Drakes are named Dragon by card name, but are Drakes by card text. Probably because Drake (or Draque, in Spanish) does not exist in our dictionary.
C'mon, not the Elves of Lindon AGAIN...

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Re: Cave-drake

Post by Kjeld » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:24 pm

I always thought it was weird that I.C.E. felt it necessary to introduce needless complexity by distinguishing between Dragons and Drakes. Drake, in English, is an exact (though archaic) synonym for dragon. They could have simply referred to unique vs. non-unique dragons for the cards that modify dragon attacks and accomplished the same game effect without all the fuss. I mean, they didn't bother distinguishing between goblins and orcs, and there's actually a textual basis in Tolkien's work for that distinction!

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Re: Cave-drake

Post by the Jabberwock » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:12 pm

While I was looking through the Lidless Eye Players Guide for a different card, I happened across this passage for Cave-drake, which is listed under the CREATURES / DRAKES section:
CAVE-DRAKE
Cave-drake is one of the most popular creatures in the game. It has a good frequency of play and can be keyed to both Deep Wilderness and Ruins and Lairs. Its ability to target the strikes also makes it very effective for killing off wounded or small characters. You can even assign one strike to a small character as insurance that your opponent gets no trophies out of the attack. Note that Cave-drake is actually a Dragon, not a Drake.
(bold mine)

This passage makes it clear that ICE seemed to embrace the idea that Cave-drake is a Dragon and not a Drake, at least around the time of the Lidless Eye set being released. This passage indicates that ICE intentionally chose not to change Cave-drake to a Drake creature type when The Lidless Eye set was printed.

I then looked up Cave-drake in The Wizards Player Guide and found this:
CAVE-DRAKE
Cave-drake is almost identical to the Ambusher, except its prowess can be increased by Dragon's Desolation (as opposed to Fury of the Iron Crown for Ambusher), and it can be keyed to either double Wilderness or Ruins & Lairs. ......
I did not quote the entire passage from the book, but the relevant part is quoted, namely that ICE meant for Cave-drake to be used with dragon-specific hazard enhancers such as Dragon's Desolation, etc.

The Dragons Players Guide says this in the introduction to the Creatures section:
To go with the four Dragons in METW, there are five more Dragons: Bairanax, Earcaraxe, Itangast, Scatha, and Scorba. There are also fifteen different drakes in METD. While Drakes are not as powerful as Dragons, Drakes can be played in a much wider range of regions and sites - from the sands south of Mordor to the northern wastes and from the great sea in the west to the great plains of the east.
Apparently the authors forgot about Cave-drake being a Dragon when they wrote this. The following sentences describing the differences between Dragons and Drakes certainly would support Cave-drake being a Drake, and not a Dragon. However, despite this, they chose not to change Cave-drake's creature type with the later release of Lidless Eye (and they were aware of it).

It can still be argued that Cave-drake is better off as a Drake than a Dragon, and no doubt it thematically makes more sense (even according to ICE's description above). However, the entirety of my post is meant to clarify ICE intent for those who care.

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