Aware of their ways V

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Aware of their ways V

Post by marcos » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:34 pm

This one comes from the spanish forum:

Unique as a Virtual card. This card reserves up to one hazard. To reserve a hazard put it face down "up to the side" with this card (without counting against hazard limit). Whenever a copy of the face down card is played by any player, flip the card face up and put Aware of their Ways V in that player's MP pile. His/her GI is reduced by 2 (by 4 if a RW player).

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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Bandobras Took » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:12 pm

What happens to the card placed off to the side?

Would this card have any MP value?
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by marcos » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:03 pm

I suppose that the card placed off to the side should be either discarded or stay with it. Anyways i have thought of placing it on the MP pile, but maybe it is not the way to go. I am thinking on how to word it so it will affect only the player that plays the face down card first... What about this:


Unique as a Virtual card. This card reserves up to one hazard. To reserve a hazard put it face down "off to the side" with this card (without counting against hazard limit). Whenever a copy of the face down card is played by any player, flip the card face up and discard it. Aware of their Ways V reduces that player's GI by 2 (by 4 if a RW player).

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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Bandobras Took » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:01 pm

I like that one better. :)
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Thorsten the Traveller » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:41 pm

Does make for more gratuitous speed decks though, we've been toying around with such ideas for dreamcards as well (Darkness Ahead), but I'd hesitate for that reason.
Aware of THeir Ways is a hazard, so basically you'd use 2 hazards to protect yourself from opponent's hazards? That's not exactly what hazards are meant for.
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by marcos » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:51 pm

it could be made a resource of course if you don't like it as a hazard, but i'd have to look for another card's title to fit this text :)

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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by marcos » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:28 pm

what about Balance between powers (yet again) :D

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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Bandobras Took » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:50 pm

Go for it. :)
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by marcos » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:48 pm

this 2 options also came from the spanish forum, both resources:

Permanent Event:
May be played at the start of the game instead of 2 minor items. Put a hazard from your SB aside with this card, such hazard can't be played. Cannot be duplicated by a given player.

Permanent Event
When this card enter play, look at the top 10 cards from your opponent's discard pile, choose a hazard to "set aside" with this card. At any time a copy of the aside card is played, it's effect is cancelled and discarded, discard this card and the aside card.
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Bandobras Took » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:32 pm

First effect is too strong as a unique. Whoever reveals it first prevents their opponent from support cards during the draft. Instead, it should be "may not be duplicated by a given player."
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by marcos » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:48 pm

edited

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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Bandobras Took » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:40 pm

Personally speaking, I feel the second's effect would bog down the game a little much. The first's is clean-cut, simple, and ideal for shaking up the metagame.
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by marcos » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:44 pm

well, we have 3 versions here:
1 wrote:Permanent-event:
Unique as a Virtual card. This card reserves up to one hazard. To reserve a hazard put it face down "off to the side" with this card (without counting against hazard limit). Whenever a copy of the face down card is played by any player, flip the card face up and discard it. Aware of their Ways V reduces that player's GI by 2 (by 4 if a RW player).
2 wrote:Permanent-event:
May be played at the start of the game instead of 2 minor items. Put a hazard from your SB aside with this card, such hazard can't be played. Cannot be duplicated by a given player.
3 wrote:Permanent-event
When this card enter play, look at the top 10 cards from your opponent's discard pile, choose a hazard to "set aside" with this card. At any time a copy of the aside card is played, it's effect is cancelled and discarded, discard this card and the aside card.
Which one is the better?

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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Bandobras Took » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:09 am

I'd like the first, but would have reserving the card count against the hazard limit. Reducing GI might help against the Balrog, but it'll crucify Fallen Saruman.
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Re: Aware of their ways V

Post by Thorsten the Traveller » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:56 am

I like 3, cause it doesn't affect speed too much, reserving own hazards increases speed tremendously (whether with a resource or a hazard) which favours decks that need only a few cards to win. Manipulating opponent's cards is tricky though, you can effectively deny him the use of a hazard for the entire game by just letting it rot on there. Ok there's Marvels, and Great Secrets does the same. Well, worth a try.

nr. 1 has a pretty significant drawback, so it might scare people enough out of using it frequently, but that at the same time is not what you design for.

nr. 2 I don't really get, I suppose the same effect (discarding to cancel) still applies? Or you mean it can't be played by any player? Well the latter I don't like it's too disruptive and can have far-reaching effects.
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